I’ve just watched this interview Jordan Peterson did with Milo Yiannopoulos a couple of weeks ago. I only just heard about it and was keen to see it because of the history between the two men involved, because of the content and because it relates somewhat to yesterday’s post.
Like pretty much anything that involves Milo, the interview is shockingly frank, bold and at times uncomfortable to watch, but it’s also incredibly fascinating. Take this as a disclaimer if you intend to view it.
However, I’m mostly interested in discussing about 11 minutes of dialogue from timestamp 1.15 to 1.26, in which Milo talks about the “Lavender Mafia” in the Vatican:
It is a cabal of, not just gay bishops, but specifically progressive, leftwing gay bishops.
The same people who want to water down the liturgy, who want for divorcees to be able to receive Communion and want gay people to do whatever, they’re the same people who’ve been covering up child abuse in the Church. And it seems that the same people who have been doing the child abuse and covering it up are also the people who are most aggressively pushing for progressive reform of the Catholic liturgy and of Catholic practice.
For a lifelong practising Catholic, this is truly disturbing stuff to hear. His own flamboyant persona and sinful lifestyle aside, this is Milo at his most serious and, I believe, most honest. He’s a contradiction in so many ways but I’ve watched him being interviewed a number of times and I believe he has a genuine love and concern for the Catholic Church.
He goes on to explain why this phenomenon exists, citing the trend of gay men seeking out the priesthood, and of the Church turning a blind eye to this in recent decades:
If you make room for one sin, others will follow, so what that means in practical terms for the Catholic Church is that because the priesthood is somewhere where lots of gay men go and a blind eye is routinely turned to their sexual peccadillos – even if it’s just with each other and there’s nothing non-consensual or abusive going on – because it’s a sexual free-for-all, because it’s the kind of place where supposedly transgressive or forbidden things happen routinely with no consequence, it becomes an institution that attracts other kinds of people who have other things to hide, like pedophiles.
Lefties will say that the reason that all of these problems happen in the Catholic Church is that priests are required to be celibate. The opposite’s true – they haven’t been celibate for a very long time, and that’s what’s created the problem, because there’s now an entrenched, leftwing gay mafia that effectively runs the Catholic Church, that has engaged in the systematic cover-up of child abuse, so as to protect its own power. And that’s about as bad as it gets, in terms of global institutions that have lost their way.
No argument from me on that last point. However, I hope that what Milo says here is not true, or not as bad as he makes out. I think he has a tendency to exaggerate, like many extroverts, but I can’t deny there is a certain logic to his words, as well.
A former seminarian and good friend of mine told me something similar – that gay men would often enter the seminary, because they were drawn to it and the exclusively male environment. According to him though, they didn’t usually last long.
In studying church history, I learned that the Church has always had a blanket ban on homosexuals entering the priesthood, and my understanding is that this rule was not so strictly enforced in recent times, particularly during the latter half of the 20th century.
If this is the case, and if what Milo says is true, it would explain why the number of abuse scandals has exploded since the 1960s and 70s.
Milo then ties this in with the feminisation of the Church in recent decades – a huge problem in my eyes – and the resulting exodus of men from the pews:
When people go to church they want the fire and brimstone, they go to be told what to do – they want the Bible, they want Jesus. They don’t want climate change.
There are seminaries now where the seminarians are starting to give sermons on toxic masculinity. This is a church that has no manly men left in it. Every man in that church is a homo. There are no men left in the congregations, there are no heterosexual men left in the clergy, and this is a church that thinks it has a ‘too many men’ problem.
This is another arena in which the loss of manliness and masculinity, and the loss of the proper appreciation of the heroic masculine virtues has led to chaos and disaster.
A father, a real father, doesn’t sit idly by while children are being abused. He takes steps to stop it, and he punishes the people who have done wrong.
That heroic manly virtue is something that has been systematically wiped out of the Catholic Church, just like it’s been wiped out of other places in public life.
Most of the problems the Church has gotten itself into basically boil down to there being no men. It’s all women and gays, and the vast majority of the child abuse scandal and all the other things that are wrong with the Catholic Church are a product of the church losing its connection to masculinity, and simply having no men in it.
Milo makes some sweeping generalisations here. It’s obvious that the Church is not entirely composed of “women and gays” or that there are “no heterosexual men left in the clergy”. He’s generalising for effect, but I think, sadly, there is a lot of truth to what he says.
I agree that the church has lost its connection to masculinity in many ways. I often think that if the average man walked into his local church this is what he would likely see: the pews filled with older women, girls on the altar, women helping distribute Communion, women leading the singing (probably in some ghastly modern hymn) and one sole man actually saying the Mass – and probably an old or effeminate one at that.
This is just not appealing to men. It’s not appealing to ME and I’m a woman! It’s no wonder churchgoing women outnumber men nearly two to one. It’s no wonder women like me are having such a hard time finding marriageable men at church.
There are signs of hope, though. I go to a traditional Latin Mass parish where there is a much stronger presence and sense of masculinity, both in the liturgy and in the congregation. It’s still getting there, but considering how parishes like mine are beginning to grow and thrive, I see hope for future generations.
As Catholics we must pray for our Church leaders! I hope with all my heart and soul that what Milo says about the Lavender Mafia is false, but even if it’s true this is no reason to give up hope. If we are to help right the wrongs of our world and our Church we need to get serious about our faith. We are all a part of the Body of Christ, and that Body is being terribly wounded by the sinfulness of its members. We need to pray. We need to fast. We need to make sacrifices and die to our own desires.
Maybe that means something small like foregoing your favourite item on the menu at a work lunch or listening to a chatty colleague or child when you don’t feel like it.
Maybe it means getting up earlier to go to daily Mass, setting aside time to pray the Rosary every day, or spending more time in mental prayer to cultivate a deeper personal relationship with God (or, ideally, all of the above).
We need more priests and more good men in the Church. This should be something all of us are praying for.
For if we faithful do not help our Mother Church, what hope is there?